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If you get knocked down, always get back up: Brad Hogg

If you get knocked down, always get back up: Brad Hogg
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Brad Hogg, the two-time World Cup-winning Australian spinner, was in Bangladesh with the commentary team for the white-ball series between Bangladesh and Australia. Speaking exclusively to Times of Bangladesh during a break from commentary at the SBNCS media center rooftop, Hogg shared insights into the Australian mentality, his cricketing philosophy, Bangladesh’s evolution in ODIs and his admiration for the Tigers’ emerging pace attack.

You played in Bangladesh’s historic first ODI win over Australia in Cardiff in 2005. How do you see the team’s evolution in the format since then?

Bangladesh are not relying on home spin advantage anymore. They’re trying to evolve into a side that can compete in all conditions around the world, with an eye on the 2027 World Cup. It’s a risk to move away from their traditional strength, but in doing so they are improving their overall game and becoming better prepared for away conditions.

Bangladeshi pacers have recently taken centre stage, including in wins over Australia. How do you view the evolution of Bangladesh’s pace attack?

From what I’ve seen over the last five years coming back and forth here, they’ve become much more consistent. Earlier they didn’t have the same pace, but that has improved. More importantly, it’s the consistency of line and length, along with the variety they now have. Mustafizur brings the slower balls, Taskin is very good with the new ball, Shoriful has been impressive, and Rana has been a real revelation, not just for Bangladesh, but in world cricket. People are talking about him.

Bangladesh are set to play Test matches in Australia for the first time in many years. How exciting will it be to see Nahid Rana bowl on Australian soil?

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I think it would be great. It’s a pity that he can’t play at Optus Stadium or Brisbane. But I think up there in Mackay, there will still be bounce and pace there for him. And I think they’ll try and do the same in Darwin to produce that to help the Australian side as such. But for me, it’s going to be very exciting to have him over there.

As a commentator, how fascinating is it to see Bangladesh beat Australia with pace, intensity, and even verbal exchanges?

I think it’s been fantastic. From a Bangladesh perspective, they’re taking the game to a new level. They’ve got a different fight about them, a different attitude about them, and a different style of cricket now because of the types of wickets. And I think that’s just going to produce better Bangladesh cricketers moving forward.

Australia has produced great leaders across generations, from Allan Border and Mark Taylor to Steve Waugh and Ricky Ponting. How does a team culture help develop and nurture leadership over time?

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You’ve got to create your own culture. With different captains across formats, it’s about who brings the group together and creates energy. On tours like this, where players spend a lot of time in hotels, you really see personalities come out who lifts the group, who sets the tone, and who brings everyone together. That becomes just as important as performance on the field.

If you were to describe the Australian cricket mentality in a typically Aussie way, how would you sum it up?

For me, if you get knocked down, you always get back up. And the other thing is, I think during my time growing up with Australia, it’s about standing by your mate. But if you’ve done something wrong, you stand up and own it as well. And if you don’t stand up and own it, your mates will be telling you about it. So you’re always helping each other out. But it’s a never-give-up attitude.

As a two-time World Cup winner with Australia in 2003 and 2007, what does it take to win a World Cup? More specifically, what will a team like Bangladesh need to do to become genuine World Cup contenders?

It takes belief, but also a focus on the present rather than the result. The games we lost were often the ones where we either hadn’t prepared properly or got too far ahead of ourselves. Complacency can be dangerous, even against weaker opponents. At the highest level, it’s not just about talent or ability, it’s about staying composed under pressure and making the right choices in key moments.

If you were advising the next generation of Bangladesh cricketers, is there any Australian habit or aspect of cricket culture you’d want them to adopt to reach that level?

I’d want them to be themselves and play Bangladesh’s style of cricket. There’s no point copying how Australia do it because the culture is different. What matters is understanding your own players, their personalities, and how they fit into the team. Ultimately, it’s about players taking ownership of their direction individually and as a group. The one thing that doesn’t change is playing your role and putting the team first. It’s a simple ‘team-first’ culture.

Many Bangladesh batters perform well in domestic cricket but struggle to make the same impact internationally. How do you bridge that gap and handle the extra pressure at the highest level?

We’ve been discussing this in commentary. Players like Mosaddek Hossain, Tanzid Hasan and Towhid Hridoy have performed well in first-class cricket, but the step up to international cricket brings added pressure and fewer scoring opportunities. As a batter, how do you stay mentally composed, trust your strengths and avoid straying from your game under that pressure.

How much of success at the highest level comes down to mentality rather than pure skill, especially when you’re under pressure?

I can answer it from a bowling perspective as well, it’s important not to get caught up in a batter attacking you. Trust your instincts, be clear in your plans and fully commit to them. Under pressure, the key is not to overreact or change too much. In this ODI series, Australia at times strayed from their line and length and tried a bit too much instead of keeping things simple and controlled. Ultimately, handling pressure is what matters most. Skills are important, but mentality often makes the difference.

I remember bowling to Virender Sehwag, who always played with no fear and put me under pressure. One day I trusted my first instinct and committed fully to it. I bowled something I wouldn’t normally try, but I backed myself and got him out. It wasn’t the perfect ball, it was the conviction behind it. In pressure situations, it comes down to trusting your instincts and committing to your decisions.

Since you left international cricket, we’ve seen fewer Chinaman bowlers at the top level, though players like Kuldeep Yadav, Tabraiz Shamsi, Noor Ahmad and Sufiyan Muqeem have emerged. How do you see the future of Chinaman bowling in international cricket?

They’re a very rare breed. If someone has the skill and gets opportunities, you never know how far they can go. We’re seeing a few young left-arm wrist-spinners coming through, especially in Australia, but you have to wait and see how they develop. In T20 cricket, they’re valuable assets, and teams need to look after them. The challenge is that if you don’t perform immediately, especially in leagues like the IPL, it’s hard to get a second chance.

Looking back at your career, you played a lot of white-ball and franchise cricket, but limited red-ball cricket, largely because of Shane Warne’s presence, with Stuart MacGill also in the mix. How do you reflect on that?

I wouldn’t change anything. You play in your own era. I could look back and think differently, but I’d probably have enjoyed playing in the 1970s, when cricket had a more community feel. You had a job, you represented your country, and it was a different environment. Over time, the game has become more professional and commercial, and now social media adds another layer. But every era has its own character, and you just adapt to it.

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